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Saturday, February 23, 2008

More Hugs, Love, and Tolerance from the 'Religion of Peace'

Saudi Men Busted for Flirting With Women in Public

Saturday , February 23, 2008
Associated Press

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia began interrogating 57 men Saturday who were arrested after allegedly flirting with women in front of a shopping mall in the holy city of Mecca, a local newspaper reported.

The country's religious police arrested the men Thursday night, alleging behavior that included dancing to pop music blaring from their cars and wearing improper clothing, according to the Okaz newspaper, which is deemed close to the government.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice runs the religious police, who are charged with enforcing Saudi Arabia's strict Islamic lifestyle...

Read the Rest, at Fox News

Just kinda makes you feel warm all over, doesn't it?

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U.S. Army soldiers assemble traffic impediments at an Iraqi police checkpoint in the Abu Nouri area of Mosul, Iraq, Feb. 12, 2008. The checkpoint will provide security in an area with high levels of insurgent activity. The soldiers are assigned to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment's 3rd Squadron, Headquarters Troop. Patrick Lair, U.S. Army

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My Two Cents: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back

Not even a fortnight after fate (with help from the Israelis) dispensed a sorely-needed taste of justice by neatly eliminating scumbag extraordinaire Imad Mughniyeh, the news now comes that another prime example of the worst of humanity has apparently been set completely free:

SAN`A, Yemen — A Yemeni-American, one of the FBI's 26 "most wanted" for terrorism, appeared at a session of his trial in a Yemeni court Saturday with bodyguards and then walked free, apparently not subject to any form of incarceration, eyewitnesses said.

The 41-year-old Jaber Elbaneh attended a session of the trial for him and 22 other Al Qaeda members charged for a series attacks on oil facilities, an eyewitness said speaking on condition of anonymity because of security concerns.

Footage of the suspect entering and leaving the court unimpeded also appeared on the Dubai-based pan-Arab satellite channel, al-Arabiya.
- AP, via Fox News
Granted, good ol' Jaber isn't quite as high a prize as dear Muggie was. Sure, he did get sentenced to 10 years for masterminding two terrorist attacks in 2006. Oh, yes, and he and 22 of his insane friends broke out of jail in February, digging a little rat hole to a nearby mosque, but he certainly isn't Muggie. Now Muggie - there was a pretty reprehensible guy. And Muggie's death came as a special reason for celebration as far as I am concerned. Watching the story run repeatedly on the news, I frequently saw a familiar image:

Remember that one? That was probably Muggie's most famous handiwork - the hijacking of TWA flight 847. Aside from 9/11, it's the most vivid illustration of terrorism that resides in my memory. But it isn't that particular image I see. I see this one:

SW-2 Robert Dean Stethem. On June 14th, 1985, Muggie and his friends beat the young Navy hero, shot him in the back of the head, and dumped his body out on the tarmac like so much garbage. He was 23. That is what I see when I hear Muggie's name. And that is why I couldn't be happier that the S.O.B. is dead. Blowing him up was probably way too good for him, but I'll take it.

Sadly, Jaber isn't dead; he's free. Clearly the Yemenis didn't think he was a threat, right? Strange, that - since he's planned attacks in Yemen, and since the FBI is offering a $5 million reward for information leading to his arrest. Odd that we'd throw around that kind of money to get a hold of someone who isn't a threat. Jaber's wanted for "providing material support to a terrorist organization and conspiring to provide material support, specifically to Al-Qaeda."

You'd think Yemen would know better. I seem to recall a little incident taking place there. You know, a ship, big whole blown in the side of it, seventeen brave U.S. military personnel killed...

Then again, you'd think we'd know better than to let it go. I thought we meant what we said when we said we'd hunt terrorists down wherever they were. We also said that if countries harbored terrorists, they were no better than terrorists. Apparently, I was mistaken.

One of the biggest difficulties that we have had in this war on terror is that we're finding few true allies. Either because of fear of reprisal, or because their government is already held hostage to political correctness, most other countries are refusing to fully confront the threat posed by Islamic extremism. Many are denying there is a threat - at least, to anyone other than the U.S.

At the same time, our politicians are allowing valuable terrorist surveillance venues to disappear, and continuing to advocate the nauseating irony of bestowing citizens' rights on people who would just as soon kill us as look at us.

So why, exactly, would any country want to stand with us against the terrorists? The terrorists prove on a daily basis that they will do what they say they will. We're not so clear on that point.

We are steadily returning to an era of hiding under the covers, hoping that the bogeyman will just go away. But he won't. We are looking more like we're doomed to repeat, rather than learn from, the bloody lessons we've learned from terrorism.

This week, Serbian protesters attacked the U.S. embassy, setting it on fire.

And the U.S. response amounted to "Heyyyyyy...."

Not too long ago, there was another embassy that got attacked by rowdy students. More than a year later, their hostages were released.

The U.S. spent a year going, "Heyyyyyy....."

That time period had been marked by plane hijackings, bombings, and all sorts of mayhem at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Things eased up significantly when we taught them that ticking us off really just wasn't a great idea. We went from the worst president in American history, who let us be walked on, to arguably one of the best - largely because America was tired of being kicked around. We started acting like a country that believed in freedom, and was not willing to compromise its principles for the false illusion of security.

In recent years, we've gone from a president who seemed pretty darned good at handling the terrorist threat to one who doesn't seem to be very good at actually doing anything. From one who spoke of clear resolve and hunting terrorists wherever we found them to one who doesn't treat unsecured borders as a threat. Inexplicably, it's the same president.

But it could be worse - it very well may be far worse - in less than a year.

We continue to hear about the 'travesty' of maintaining Gitmo. We don't hear about the conduct of the cockroaches being held there.

Our government is failing entirely to control the borders, despite numerous warnings about the threat posed to us from terrorists who can easily cross over. Yes, the 'virtual fence' is almost ready to go. But the 'virtual fence' isn't going to cut it. For one, it doesn't cover all of the southern border - not even close. And in case anyone's forgotten (as our government apparently has), there's a border to the north, too. Now, I'm not living in fear of hordes of Canadians coming down to wreak havoc. But Canada is a VERY large place, with a lot of remote areas. It's a great venue for sneaking into this country.

I hope it brings a measure of comfort to Robert Dean Stethem's family that one of his murderers is now facing his fate (I'm thinking that's taking place somewhere REALLY warm). It's a giant step forward. One more dead terrorist.

Then there's Elbaneh. The fact that a country who supposedly is working with us to arrest terrorists just let Jaber Elbaneh go represents a significant step back. An even larger backward step is the fact that a political candidate has a real chance of winning the U.S. presidency despite saying that would 'personally negotiate' with a country sworn to the destruction of Israel and the west. One step forward, two steps back.

Too many more steps back and we may find we've just stepped off a cliff. The landing is likely to be brutal.

If we don't start taking REAL steps to deal with the entire threat posed by radical Islam and their demented minions, there are going to be a whole lot more Robert Dean Stethems out there, and a whole lot more steps back into a part of history I don't think we want to repeat.

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U.S. Marine Corps Capt. Heather R. Holbert conducts a preflight inspection of her CH-53E Super Stallion on the flight deck of the USS Tarawa, under way in the Persian Gulf, Feb. 12, 2008. Holbert is assigned to Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron Reinforced 166. U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 1st Class Richard Doolin

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In Today's News - Saturday, February 23, 2008

Quote of the Day
Semper Fidelis (Always faithful)
-- US Marine Corps Motto

News of Note
Operation Iraqi Freedom

Series of Rockets or Mortars Hit Green Zone in Baghdad
Turkey: 5 Troops, Dozens of Rebels Killed in Offensive
Iraq militia on truce not target: U.S. general
Turkey steps up PKK offensive in Iraq - Video
Iraq gov't criticizes Turkish incursion
Feb. 22 Statement from Multi-National Force - Iraq commending cease-fire extension
Coalition forces identify terrorist killed in Feb. 17 operation
Soldiers, Iraqi Leaders Deliver Wheelchairs to Disabled Citizens
Iraqis Join Cavalry Regiment for Joint Operation in Tameem
IED, Indirect Fire Cells Disrupted by Weapons Find
Coalition forces discover disguised truck-bomb (Mosul)
MND-B Soldiers detain suspected Special Groups criminal (Saab al Bour)
Iraqi, Coalition security forces detain 27, discover 4 caches in recent operations in Mosul

Operation Enduring Freedom
Taliban sees Canada vulnerable for now: general
Bomb kills 7 Afghan security guards
Successful operations target top Taliban leader

Homeland Security / War on Terror / Hamas-Hezbollah Happenings
U.S. says missed intelligence after spy act expired
Officials: Telecoms Resisting Terror Surveillance Help
Bus Bomb Wounds at Least 14 Near Sri Lankan Capital

Other Military News
B-2 Bomber Crashes in Guam - PHOTOS - VIDEO
Obama's Weapons Claim Called Into Question
U.S. Air Force B-2 bomber crashes, pilots safe - Video
Court upholds dismissal of "agent orange" suit
Boeing tries to hold onto tanker deal
Aging Air Force wants big bucks fix

Worldwide Wackos
Iran president says nuclear report a victory
Bush, new SKorean leader allied on North

Politics / Government
Dem SuperdelegatesFollow Voters' Lead
McCain: Lobbyist Story Leads to Successful Fundraising
Clinton tries to energize trailing presidential bid - Video
Australia, U.S. affirm alliance
Rice says has no plan to run for vice president
Ohio, Texas uphill climbs for Clinton
Obama may face grilling on patriotism
Bush chides Democrats over intel bill
McCain trains sights on November, Obama
Precinct hiccups blamed on poor training
Remember Jeff Davis? Many say forget it
China seeks three-way talks with U.S. and Japan: report
EU asks Serbs to cooperate, leaves north Kosovo - Video
Protesters Return to Serbia Streets - PHOTOS - VIDEO
Pakistan's two biggest parties should ally-poll
Uganda rebels, government sign "permanent" ceasefire
Mugabe to launch re-election bid at birthday bash
Mugabe belittles opponents as frog and puppet
Opponents vow to curb Musharraf's power
Japan's crown prince asks for patience

Illegal Immigration / Border Control
U.S. says "virtual fence" on border ready for use - Video

In the Courts / Crime and Punishment / Law and Order
Florida School Bus Driver Arrested After Students Receive Sexual Text Messages
Thieves Pose as Hospital Workers, Use Kids to Steal
Insurer to Pay $9M for Dropping Chemo Patient
Arizona Driver, Students Charged in School Bus Brawl
Booze Out, Money In: 'Crown Royal Bandit' Strikes Again
Man Robbed of $150,000 in Front of NYC Starbucks
Guards Probed for Watching Female Strip-Searches
'Killer' Scammer Tells People to Pay or Lose Their Lives

Adventures in Political Correctness
Sex and Education?

Media in the Media / Bloggers in the News / Watching the Web
Belgrade smash 'n' grab becomes YouTube smash hit
If Yahoo said no to Microsoft, what could it do?
Deadline in Viacom, Google copyright suit extended

Science / Medicine and Health / Technology
Japan Launches 'Super-Speed' Internet Satellite
FDA OKs Genentech's Avastin for breast cancer
Diet tied to breast and ovarian cancer risks
Energy storage nears its day in the sun
Genetic study ties Siberians to people in Americas
Sony to buy LCD TV panels from Sharp: source

Mother Nature
Snow interrupts mild Northeast winter

Government Continues to Declare Living Tennessee Woman Dead
Man Thought He Was Entitled to $2M in Bank Error
"Girl" at school was 39-year-old man
Belgrade smash 'n' grab becomes YouTube smash hit

Fox News
Queen Apologizes to British Girl, 6, Bitten by Swan

Lohan's "macabre" Monroe snaps an Internet hit
Travel Postcard: 48 hours in Yogyakarta
Razzies' odd couple: Lindsay Lohan and Eddie Murphy
Dark films and rain clouds loom over Oscar night - Video
Connecting credit dots prolongs crisis
EU to consider sovereign wealth fund voluntary code
3Com rebuff due to 'complexities' and costs -Huawei
Fortis rapidly merging ABN AMRO fund unit - paper
Fed's Fisher warns on growth but wary of inflation
Ambac rescue may be announced Mon or Tues--source
White House has short list for SEC slots: report
Stocks set to weigh recession odds
Talk of bond insurer rescue spurs late stock rally - Video
Credit turmoil has helped emerging markets: Dbank
Clear Channel close to new TV deal: sources
Any Lehman writedowns would be below $15 bln: source
Oil rises near $99 on colder U.S. weather
Revisions show slower wholesale inflation
Citigroup provides $500 million credit to hedge funds
Solar sector set to shine

AP World News
Embattled Sampson out as Indiana coach
Oscars aim to put on blockbuster show
Agriculture chief's priority: avoid jail
Spears allowed to visit young sons
Shaq: Stoudemire is best big man
Man amasses black history treasure trove
Some Napa vintners pump up the alcohol
Japan's oldest person dies at 113
Suns send Celtics to third straight loss

News Blaze
USM Golden Eagles, 4th Inf. Div. Maintain Close Ties for Deployment
PHOTO: Iraqi, MND-B Medical Professionals Team Up to Provide Health Care
Engineers Build to Protect
PHOTO: Opening shot
Operation Red River nets 19 detainees in Sha'ab
Enduring Security in Altun Kapri Leads to New Courthouse
Brunch Gathers Strikers in Fellowship
Cooks Sustain Force
Read about Operations in Iraq
FOB Warhorse Memorial Photos

CENTCOM: News Releases
Civilians targeted in northern Iraq

SOCJFCOM continues to ready warfighters for global operations - podcast
More about SOCJFCOM
Phase one of Multinational Experiment 5 wraps up
More about Multinational Experiment 5
Joint Knowledge Online extends cultural awareness training for U.S. Forces Korea - podcast
Newsmaker Profile: Director of Joint Training Army Maj. Gen. Jason Kamiya - podcast

Multi-National Force-Iraq
Government Center Opens in Historic City of Salman Pak
Coalition forces targets weapons facilitation, car-bombing networks; 14 detained
Operation Red River nets 19 detainees in Sha’ab
Anti-Coalition forces operative captured; one additional suspect detained (Baghdad)

U.S., Australia Reinforce Defense Relationships
Mullen Addresses Rapid Change, Other Challenges
Apolitical Military Fundamental To Democracy, Chairman Says
Pause Should Not Slow Down Troops’ Return, Gates Says
U.S. Urges ‘Swift Conclusion’ To Turkish Operations in Iraq

Partnership Helps Army Reserve, Private Sector Recruit Young Talent

Security Gains Boost Iraqis' Confidence in Future
Multinational Force Hails Cease-Fire Extension
Coalition Forces Kill Six Terrorists, Detain Six Suspects
Combined Forces Pave Way for Village Prosperity

Initiative Seeks District-by-District Police Reform

Medically Retired Soldier Wants to Return to Iraq

Sailor Shares Insights

Capitals Host Troops

Bost/Laskar Ghurian Herat Kabul Qandahar

Ansbach Aschaffenburg Berlin Berlin-Tempelhof Berlin/Schonefeld Bremerhaven
Darmstadt Frankfurt Frankfurt/Main Freiburg/Breisgau Garmisch
Garmisch-Partenkirchen Geilenkirchen Gelnhausen Giessen Kitzingen
Hanau Am Main Heidelberg Mainz Mannheim Nurnberg Stuttgart Trier
Wiesbaden Wurzburg


Agana Agana Heights Agat Andersen AFB Asan Barrigada

Al Azamiyah Al Basrah Al Hillah Al Karkh Al Kazimiyah Al Kut
An Nasiriyah Baghdad Baqubah Mosul Najaf Nineveh Tall Kayf

Kadena Air Base Okinawa Tokyo Yokohama

Baler Radar Site Catanduanes Radar Site Manila

South Korea
Cheju Upper/Radar Chonju Chunchon Inch'on Kunsan Masan Mokp'o
Osan Pusan Seoul Suwon Taegu Taejon Tonghae Radar Site Ulsan Yosu

Today in History
- Emperor Diocletian orders general persecution of Christians
1455 - Johannes Gutenberg prints 1st book, the Bible (estimated date)
1574 - France begins 5th Holy War against Huguenots
1660 - Charles XI becomes King of Sweden
1668 - Fire in Wiener Hofburg in Vienna, emperor Leopold I rescued
1689 - Dutch prince William III proclaimed King of England
1778 - Baron von Steuben joins the Continental Army at Valley Forge
1792 - Humane Society of Massachusetts incorporated (erected life-saving stations for distressed mariners)
1813 - 1st US raw cotton-to-cloth mill founded in Waltham MA
1820 - Cato Street conspiracy uncovered
1822 - Boston is incorporated as a city
1836 - Alamo besieged by Santa Anna; entire garrison eventually killed
1846 - Polish revolutionaries march on Cracow, but are defeated
1847 - Battle of Buena Vista, México - Zachary Taylor defeats Mexicans
1852 - H.M.S. Birkenhead sinks off South Africa, killing 420 troops
1854 - Great Britain & Orange Free State sign Convention of Bloemfontein
1861 - By popular referendum, Texas becomes 7th state to secede from US; Dutch Premier Floris A van Hall resigns; President-elect Lincoln arrives secretly in Washington, DC to take office
1869 - Louisiana governor signs public accommodations law
1870 - Mississippi is re-admitted to US
1874 - Major Walter Winfield patents game called "sphairistike" (lawn tennis)
1883 - Alabama becomes 1st US state to enact an antitrust law
1886 - Aluminum manufacturing process developed; "London Times" publishes world's 1st classified ad
1887 - Congress grants Seal Rocks to San Francisco; French/Italian Riviera struck by Earthquake; 2,000 die
1895 - William Heard, AME minister & educator, named minister to Liberia
1896 - Tootsie Roll introduced by Leo Hirshfield
1898 - In France, Emile Zola is imprisoned for writing his "J'accuse" letter accusing government of anti-Semitism & wrongly jailing Alfred Dreyfus
1900 - Steamer Rio de Janeiro sinks in San Francisco Bay; Battle at Hart's Hill, South-Africa (Boers vs British army)
1903 - Cuban state of Guantanamo leased to USA
1904 - Control of Panamá Canal Zone acquired by US for $10 million
1905 - Rotary Club International established by 4 men in Chicago
1909 - Russian tsar Nicolas II dissolves Finnish Diet
1915 - Germany sinks US ships Carib & Evelyn, torpedoes Norwegian ship Regin; Nevada enforces convenient divorce law
1916 - Congress authorizes McKinley Memorial $1 gold coin; French artillery kills entire French 72nd division at Samogneux Verdun
1917 - February revolution begins in Russia
1919 - Benito Mussolini founds the Facist party of Italy
1921 - 1st US transcontinental air mail flight arrives in New York NY from San Francisco CA
1923 - Great Britain lowers import duty on German products from 26% to 5%
1927 - President Coolidge creates Federal Radio Commission (FCC predecessor)
1934 - Coronation of King Leopold III of Belgium
1936 - 1st rocket air mail flight, Greenwood Lake NY
1940 - Russian troops conquer Lasi Island
1943 - General-Major Bradley arrives in Dakar & Marrakesh
1945 - US Marines raise flag on Iwo Jima; 2nd Dutch government of Gerbrandy forms in London; Canadian troops occupy Kalkar; Operation Grenade General Simpson's 9th Army crosses Ruhr
1947 - General Eisenhower opens drive to raise $170 million in aid for European Jews
1954 - Syrian army drives out President Adib el-Shishakli
1955 - Edgar Faure forms French government
1956 - 20th Congress of CPSU closes in Moscow; Russian party leader Khrushchev attacks memory of Stalin
1958 - 5-time world driving champion Juan Fangio kidnapped by Cuban rebels
1958 - Arturo Frondizi elected President of Argentina
1966 - Aldo Moro forms Italian government; Military coup in Syria ends Bitar government
1966 - Premier Obote grabs power in Uganda
1967 - 25th amendment (Presidential succession) declared ratified
1967 - US troops begin largest offensive of Vietnam War
1969 - Nayif Hawatimah forms Democratic People's Front for Liberation of Palestine
1970 - Guyana becomes a republic (National Day)
1971 - Lieutenant Calley confesses & implicates Captain Medina in the My Lai investigation
1979 - Frank Peterson, Jr., named 1st Black General in Marine Corps
1980 - Eric Heiden wins all 5 speed skating golds at Lake Placid Olympics; Oil tanker explosion off Pilos, Greece, causes 37-million-gallon spill; 13th Winter Olympics games close at Lake Placid, NY
1981 - Spanish coup under Lieutenant-Colonel Antonio Tejero Molina fails
1985 - US Senate confirms Edwin Meese III as Attorney General
1987 - Supernova 1987A in LMC 1st seen; 1st naked-eye supernova since 1604
1988 - 15th Winter Olympics games opens in Calgary, Alberta
1991 - US insists Iraq publicly announce it is leaving Kuwait by 12 PM EST; Military coup in Thailand, Premier Choonhaven arrested
1992 - 16th Winter Olympics games close in Albertville, France
1995 - Antoine Nduwayo appointed Premier of Burundi
1997 - Ali Abu Kamal opens fire in Empire State Building killing 1; NBC TV shows "Schindler's List", completely uncensored, 65 million watch; Scientists in Scotland announced they succeeded in cloning an adult mammal, producing a lamb named "Dolly"
1998 - Supreme Court lets Megan's Law stand; Tornadoes in Florida kill at least 31

1417 - Paul II (Pietro Barbo), Pope (1464-71)
1614 - Jacob Colijn(s) Dutch coat of arms painter
1633 - Samuel Pepys, English navy expert/composer (Diary, Memoirs)
1776 - John Walter II, chief proprietor (The London Times, 1812-47)
1818 - Major General Jeremy F. Gilmer, General/Chief Engineer, Confederate War Department
1824 - Lewis Cass Hunt, Union Brigadier General
1834 - Gustav Hermann Nachtigal, German physician/colonizer/consul in Tunisia
1838 - Gilbert Moxley Sorrel, Confederate Brigadier General
1859 - Theodor Batthyányi, Hungarian statesman/contra revolutionary
1869 - Nadezhda Konstantinova Krupskaya, Russian revolutionary (Social-Democrat)
1874 - Konstantin Päts, Estonian PM (1921-23, 1932-33), dictator (1933-40)
1875 - Jozef E. Stokvis journalist/Dutch MP (SDAP)
1883 - Victor Fleming, director (Wizard of Oz, Gone With Wind)
1886 - Ventura García Calderón Peruvian diplomat/author
1908 - Sir William McMahon, PM of Australia (Liberal) (1971-72)
1911 - G. Mennen Williams, Sup Court Justice/(Governor-MI)
1925 - Louis Stokes (Representative-OH)
1928 - Vasily Grigoryevich Lazarev, cosmonaut (Soyuz 12, 18A)
1942 - Beau Boulter (Representative-TX)
1944 - James Cousins, British MP
1949 - Marc Garneau, PhD/astronaut (STS 13, 77); Maureen Hicks, British MP
1960 - Gloria von Thurm un Taxis Munich, German Federal Republic, Princess

0155 - Polycarp, disciple of Apostle John, arrested & burned at stake
1447 - Eugene IV (Gabriele Condulmer), Italian Pope (1431-47)
1607 - Herman Herbertsz vicar, dies at about 60
1660 - Charles X Gustaaf, King of Sweden (1654-60), dies at 37
1718 - François Fagel, Dutch field marshal/mayor of Nimegen, dies at 63
1766 - Stanislaw Leszcynski, Duke of Lutherans/king of Poland
1848 - John Quincy Adams, 6th US President (1825-1829), dies of a stroke at 80
1915 - Robert Smalls, Reconstruction congressman, dies at 75 in South Carolina
1922 - Henri Landru executed for having 11 wives, in France
1924 - Thomas Woodrow Wilson, 28th US President (1913-21)
1945 - Aubrey Cousins, Canadian sergeant (Victoria Cross), dies in battle
1969 - Abd al-Aziz Abd al-Rahman al-Faisal al-Saud King Saudia, dies at 67
1990 - Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello, Dutch MP (Liberal), dies at 53; James Gavin, Commandant US 82nd Airborn Division (Normandy), dies at 82; Jose Napoleon Duarte, President of Salvador (1984-89), dies at 62
1995 - James Herriot Scot author (All Creatures Great & Small), dies at 78; Peter Guy Wykeham Fighter Pilot-Barnes dies at 79
1999 - Carlos Hathcock, legendary Marine

Reported Missing in Action
Donald, Myron L., USAF (NY); F4D shot down (w/Gutterson), released by DRV March, 1973 - retired as a Lt. Colonel - alive and well as of 1998

Gutterson, Laird, USAF (CA); F4D shot down (w/Donald), released by DRV March, 1973 - retired as a Colonel - alive and well as of 1998
**Missions: Vietnam - 35 in C-130 prior to F-4D, WWII - Flight Officer B-25 qualified, Korea - 60 missions F-51, F-86 qualified**

Hubler, George L., USMC (UT); F8E shot down

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